Redesdale Uprising – A Commission of Array: September 26 - 28, 2008

(For a little context - this is a 15th century living history event. The event is private, meaning that we will not be interpreting to the public. This is a fantastic first event for people interested in reenacting. Clothing standards are not all that stringent. Come play with us!)

Historical Background

It is July, 1469. Edward IV gives Lord Codnor a commission of array during the Robin of Redesdale uprising. The uprising eventually results in the Battle of Edgecote.

Codnor musters the Shire levy, has his officers take a roll of the levy, checks their equipment and determines their military preparedness.

The levy includes both archers and men at arms, who will be inspected by the regular Grey's household troops.

Roles:

Grey's officers: Take roll of the levy, and direct the inspections and drills to determine the troop readiness.

Grey's Household: Inspect the levied archers and men at arms.

Wolfe Argent: 'Flemish' Burgundian specialists, hired by Lord Grey to provide technical support for his household, as a contingent of specialists non-existent in England (pikemen and handgonners, with an officer commanding.

Lightly-equipped Grey's members and other guests (military): Archers and men at arms, depending on equipment and attire. Archers will shoot at clouts individually, and shoot arrayed in formation. Men at arms will drill as a practice array, as in battle.

Archers and men at arms will also be asked to carry wood and water, and assist where necessary so that meals may be prepared.

Other guests (civilian): Families, craftspeople, camp support, cooks. Point and laugh at the archers when they miss. Play games. Be kids. Little boys pretend to be big boys. Sell things. Buy things.

All: Play cards, games, sing, play instruments during down time.

Objective:

Individuals will each have a set objective for the weekend, depending upon which group they are in. The exact objectives will be announced day-of during the officers' meetings, but as examples:

• Archers, men at arms, and hired specialists will be paid a salary at the beginning of the weekend. Whoever accumulates the most coin by the end of the weekend will be declared the winner of that group.
  
• Craftspeople and civilians will start out with a certain amount of money in their possession. They, too, will attempt to finish the weekend with as much money as possible.
  
• Household members rise and fall in favor with the lord. They attempt to curry as much favor as possible.
  

1. I know breakfasts are up to us, but are the lunches en mass, and is cooking going to be allowed in individual encampments? Can she volunteer to help with the cooking, and if so what items should we bring as we have an extensive set of period cookware.

2. For women, is a linen kirtle and wool gown ok, or should both be wool? have a linen Kirtle and wool gown.

3. Must shoes be turned? We have Revival Clothing's Medieval Ankle Boots. Are they acceptable?

Thanks!

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Originally posted by James Bretlington:
OK, the group leader down here has a few questions. We're talking about coming up at the moment, and she'd lkke to have a couple of things cleared up.

1. I know breakfasts are up to us, but are the lunches en mass, and is cooking going to be allowed in individual encampments? Can she volunteer to help with the cooking, and if so what items should we bring as we have an extensive set of period cookware.

2. For women, is a linen kirtle and wool gown ok, or should both be wool? have a linen Kirtle and wool gown.

3. Must shoes be turned? We have Revival Clothing's Medieval Ankle Boots. Are they acceptable?

Thanks!

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Hi! I'm pleased to hear that you're thinking of coming!

1. Lunches will more than likely be en masse, though our kitchener has not firmed up exactly what we'll be doing. If people share a breakfast fire, that's fantastic. Yes, cooking is allowed in individual encampments. We usually have a central "kitchen" area set up, but other people build and tend fires. Cooking volunteers are very welcome. I will ask the kitchener to see if there is anything that we're missing. We frequently do a big "gentleman's feast", so we're fairly well-equipped.

2. Linen and wool are both fine for the event standards.

3. I suspect they're fine, but I'll double check.

Please don't hesitate to let me know if you have any other questions.

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Originally posted by La Cuine:
Hi , sorry i missed last weekends event , was sick so could not come with the other Compagnons d'armes. Tried to post on Lords forums but my password still does not work.
I keep reading Miles posts and could not tell him i could help him translate it to french, sry.
I wanted to know where exactly is this event because if we do not go to the other one in New-Brunswick as a contract , My family and myself will be coming down for this event with my gear. And probably some other Compagnons. This all depends if we have the contract or not.
This is a long trip and i want to plan it for my son....2 1/2 in a car i need to plan
Thks for the info
And hope to see some of you at VDF.

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Sorry to have missed you at MTA, but I'm sure you don't regret the Sunday morning rain.

The event is in Fairfield, PA. I believe that it's about 9 hours from Montreal.

I have a translation that's not complete. Mind if I send you a private message for some help on it? I might be able to figure some of it out, but my French isn't very good.

How old is your son? We always have many children at our fall events.

I e-mailed Hugo a copy of the uncomplete translation in francais I'll PM you my e-mail address.

Fairfield, PA is about 550 miles or 885 Km from Montreal like Charlotte said 9hrs.
The Noviki Farm
2375 Waynesboro Pike
Fairfield, Pennsylvania 17320
Just outside of Gettysburg

Look here> Redesdale Uprising – A Commission of Array

I think Charlotte two sons would be most happy to meet your garcon.

Cheer Miles

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What is the earliest we could set up?

Another quick question, are we required to have a fire pit for cooking purposes? (I ask because we not only have to have a pit at our local event, it has to have a surround of fire brick, which does tend to detract from the look of the thing).

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I've receive the translated version and I gave that version to all our people. It was pretty OK

The good thing is that our N-B event could be for just 3-4 people, so maybe some will be free to go to yours!

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Originally posted by James Bretlington:

Another quick question, are we required to have a fire pit for cooking purposes? (I ask because we not only have to have a pit at our local event, it has to have a surround of fire brick, which does tend to detract from the look of the thing).

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Sorry, I missed this in my first round of responses. No pits or bricks are required. You do need to clear an appropriate amount of ground for safety purposes, but that is all. One less thing to haul.

I'll take this opportunity to mention that the leaner you can make your camp, the better. No vehicles are allowed on that side of the stream, except for a tractor. In years past, we hauled gear over the foot bridge in a wheelbarrow. This is a good thing, because if there are people leaving early the cars won't be all over camp.

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Originally posted by Fire Stryker:
Are dogs allowed?

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Yes, with a caveat. There are horses roaming freely on site. They horses are ok around dogs, but the dogs have to be ok around horses.

Dogs being okay with horses is fine, but horse on horse is something entirely different. Horses are "okay" once they get to know each other...but that is not an instantaneous thing.

Just something to think about.

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It's a good piece information to know. I was initially asking for others, but you never know.

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Originally posted by Knechte de Freiheit:

I'm working on a translation in to French but stuck on one group of words.
"Commission of Array”
Because the French wording does not exist in the way English used it.
Would Posse comitatus work?
Or is there a French word?

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Demande de déploiement

could be retranslate as:
orders (or asking) for deployment

Could it fit?

We'll say its a verb because the meanings work better. My dictionary says this.

Array, v.tr. 1(a) ranger, mettre en ordre; disposer, deployer (des troupes, etc.) (en ordre des bataille), A: they arrayed themselves against the King, ils se rangerent au parti hostile au roi; ils prirent les armes contre le roi;

It isn't so much an order or asking to deploy though. The term Commission of Array or lets say Commission to Array refers actually to the letter or document sent in the name of the King to those who are put in charge of making the 'array'. Part of the problem is that as far as I know the French used a different system. They relied heavily on the Arrière-ban and the companies. The Franc-archers is to an extent France bringing this idea of universal military from England into France. In England all able bodied men 16 to 60(?) were in theory to have weapons and harness capable of serving so when you called them up you had to select which ones went and which ones didn't, whereas my understanding of the French system that selection had already been done ahead of time. I suppose I should go and look for texts to see if I can find one in French or look at the latin and see what the actual words are.

As for the horses John can keep his pin up in the with hot wire fence and he has a stable for them to.
I was thinking of bringing my horse and maybe another to the event but it is a pain to babysit and as my horse is the alpha of his herd I do not think letting him mix with other horses unsupervised would be a good idea.

Oh for your general information there is a grocery store across the street from the Sleep Inn that on the events map.
It's not a bad one they have a number of old world bread, meats and cheese and killer Amish pickled eggs for beer and wine you need to go to a liquor store there’s one in the little town there.
If you go passed The Noviki Farm were the events is down the road there is a Wal-Mart and Lowes.

Miles

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simply use: Demande de déploiement

"demande" Could mean a letter sent by someone for asking something... juste like "Ordres"

There's two meaning: one is an action, the other means : A paper that ask for an order!

So The title is:
LA Révolte de Redesdale: Demande de déploiement

Do you have the link to JF Maeder who is the Pikeman leader? I could do the followup with him. If someone is coming to Val-du-fort, he will be there, just like the swiss!

Yeap Maeder the Pikeman leader he’s a Wildman…

Hugo somewhere in my computer I have a list of leaders of the groups that were at Val du Fort but if you can e-mail me a list of names and groups and people to my Hotmail account I’ll prepare some formal invitations.

Jenn one thing I was going to ask is what type of dog you have I am betting Greyhound or Irish Wolfhound.