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Topic: late 14th century mens hair styles
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Gwen
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posted 05-09-2006 08:10 PM
    
I'd hazard it's more like long hair and mustaches in the 14th, switching over to bowl cut right at about 1400, with the hair getting gradually longer decade by decade to a pageboy about 1450ish.Off the top of my head from stuff I've been looking at over the last couple of days- Mars, John de Foxton Liber cosmographiae, England 1385-1408, Trinity College, Cambridge. Ear length hair, forked beard Tres Riches Heurs is 1415, and they are really short bowl cuts, clean shaven. Livre de Tournois is 1440, and they are definitely approaching pageboy length with a mix of clean shaven and Don Johnson-esque facial hair and short beards Dieric Bouts, Misc portraits of the 60-70's- pageboy. I'm thinking the hair was various versions of shoulder length 1340-1400, and beards of various pointy descriptions were popular. The bowl cut appears to have been a relatively short-lived fad, lasting from about 1410-40, give or take a bit. Gwen
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damien
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posted 05-09-2006 09:01 PM
Edward III and son certainly favoured long hair and longer forked beards with
moustaches but there are a lot of options for late 14th century re enactors. A lot of images show medium to shoulder length hair. In the years either side of the turn of the centuries men’s hair (especially younger men) is often elaborately dressed (curled, parted and often worn with circlets)in the various editions of the Grande Chronique and in images relating to the final years of the court of Richard II. I am yet to come across a mention or depiction of a ponytail dressed with pearls on a man (seen similar on depictions of women.That is not to say that short hair was not also worn as a contemporary image of the peers of France attending the King a surprising number of them are depicted short haired and there seems to have been some effort at individual portraiture(du Guesclin looks pretty ugly and sports a no1 cut) and many of the others are clean shaven. Du Guesclin is also shown with cropped hair on his rather idealised effigy I suspect that some of these may be the forerunner of the 'Henry V' style campaign hair cut (which can look very 1920-40's cool at one extreme or very “my mother cuts my hair with a bowl” at the other) Certainly Henry V is depicted in the Cavalcade of Kings at York Minster with an undercut mop of curly hair that would hair that would put Side Show Bob to shame and a forked goatee. The usual depiction you see of him however is in a portrait that has a flat bowl cut and clean shaven; so which one do we believe? His dad, Henry IV is shown with longish hair and forked beard in the cavalcade at York and some other depictions and clean shaven in others- perhaps all are correct! Clergy are bound by the rules of the profession and apart from the tonsure extravagant hair was out as was facial hair (except in the military orders where facial hair was the norm) Even though there are many complaints about the clergy adopting worldly fashions I would tend to leave images of them out of discussions of typical hair for a man-at- arms as I suspect their funereal images are idealised to show them less worldly than perhaps they were. Brasses of prosperous citizens tend to show a more conservative attitude to hair, facial hair and fashion in general (as befitting dour respectable merchants!) For the military/knightly class in the last half of the 14th century effigies certainly showed long, though not necessarily bushy, moustaches were all the rage (If it don’t get caught in your ventail its too short!). Unfortunately as they are usually helmed we can't make out any other facial hair or the haircuts. The Grand Chronique and other ms. depictions at the very end of the 14th and early 15th show that facial hair was ‘in’ but of a more moderate length and sometimes just very short tufts of a goatee and fine moustache. My feeling that based on the art of the period is that wearing a moustache alone was probably quite rare, though not unknown. Scattered amongst the hirsute warriors depicted in effigies and manuscripts however are a number of clean shaven individuals. Clean shaven then and now are not the same thing- in the late middle ages it meant you shaved (or were shaven) once or twice a week and stubble was a norm if the art of the period is to be believed. Regional variations also probably occurred German effigies to me seem very moustached and generally much hairier than the Italians but that is just from a random sample.
damien
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jboerner
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posted 05-10-2006 06:18 AM
My question might be a little of-topic, though it touches it: does anybody know any sources what to do with the long hair as shown in some images/written in some texts (as proven above) under the helmnet?
My hair _does_ getting caught in the aventail (which is pretty nasty), are there evidences for pleats?-------------------- Diu Minnezît
Reconstruction of textiles, armour and daily life
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http://www.diu-minnezit.de IG Meisterhauw
Reconstruction of late medieval and early renaissance fencing techniques
http://www.meisterhauw.de Nuremberg in the middle ages
http://www.nuernberg-im-mittelalter.de
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jboerner
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posted 05-11-2006 03:50 AM
Hi,The bascinet I wear already is lined, and the problem is generelly not the hair being caught in the aventail, but that I'm not sure where to put it. If worn under the aketon, it feels very uncomfortable when moving the head, but I have never seen any image of hair peeking from beneath the avantail.
What I do search is descriptions of a knight being armed in the latr 14th century where I might get hints of common tricks they used for problems like this. -------------------- Diu Minnezît
Reconstruction of textiles, armour and daily life
1250,1350,1475
Nuremberg and Paris
http://www.diu-minnezit.de IG Meisterhauw
Reconstruction of late medieval and early renaissance fencing techniques
http://www.meisterhauw.de Nuremberg in the middle ages
http://www.nuernberg-im-mittelalter.de
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Scott
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posted 05-11-2006 12:28 PM
"Edward III and son certainly favoured long hair and longer forked beards with
moustaches but there are a lot of options for late 14th century re enactors. "
Edward III and Edward TBP fashions would be more mid 14th Century would they not?
Crecy being 1346 Poitiers only 10 years later. Late 14th century i'm thinking more of 1375ish and later. In those depictions i'm seeing mostly shorter hair. Maybe earlobe length in the 70's and 80's but progresively getting shorter and shorter, like Gwen said. I haven't found a single one with hair longer than shoulder length. It sounds like for a period depiction your hair is too long, espically if it's long enough to go under your collar. But if ya don't wanna cut it, you could do what many women who play in the "beer and brawl" groups do. Braid the hair up tightly to the back of your head and then wear an arming cap over that. Keep the look, avoid the snags and not have to cut it.
Course i don't have the problem, my hair hasn't been over 3/4 of an inch long in years.
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Justin Webb
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posted 06-19-2006 02:13 AM
Arriving into this thread fairly late, I thought as a long haired male reenacting 1350-1400 I'd share my knowledge and experiences.My hair is very long - far too long to be correct for my period. I tell people this however still continue to reenact using the old oath to never cut my hair until I have performed a great deed of chivalry escape clause! However long hair did seem to be fashionable during the 14thC. quote:
Edward III and Edward TBP fashions would be more mid 14th Century would they not?Crecy being 1346 Poitiers only 10 years later. Late 14th century i'm thinking more of 1375ish and later.
Edward the III had long hair until his death in 1376. His effigy, although possibly stylized, represernted him at the time of his death. Some quick research can turn up other evidence of long hair in the later 14thC but I won't get into that right now. I wear my hair down the back of my aketon when in harness and have never had an issue. My bascinet is lined and the aventail is also lined leaving no mail accessible to my hair. I have also found that flat wedge riveted maille doesn't seem to snag my hair like other types. I would imagine that welded/riveted would do so also. Lately I have been wearing my hair loose. The jupon protects it from my maille and when I prepare for martial activities I simply wrap my hair beneath my pigsain and pop the bascinet on. A collar of reasonable length on my aketon helps and I use an arming cap to put my habergeon on and off with. As I said I have never had any issues. Justin Webb
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jboerner
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posted 06-28-2006 02:07 AM
There are severeal depictions in the grande chonicles of france, as well as flemish illuminations; you can also see one of this kind, dated to about 1360-70s in the book "Fashion in the age of the black prince". Also there are text sources from germany as well france, that men actually did wear long hair. Additionally, there are french effifies, as well as some from the rhineland, which show at least about neck-to shoulder long hair, which would create the same problems being simply unpractical under the helmet.I do not look for a modern interpretation of what i could do- I look for a source what was done. -------------------- Diu Minnezît
Reconstruction of textiles, armour and daily life
1250,1350,1475
Nuremberg and Paris
http://www.diu-minnezit.de IG Meisterhauw
Reconstruction of late medieval and early renaissance fencing techniques
http://www.meisterhauw.de Nuremberg in the middle ages
http://www.nuernberg-im-mittelalter.de
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Sir Lawrence d'Hastings
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posted 03-10-2013 12:47 PM
A bit late, perhaps, but in answer to the first and second questions: In the fourteenth century men's hair went from about ear length down to the shoulders about 1360, in some areas in Germany even a bit longer. From about 1350 to 1390/1400, beards were in fashion, with droopy moustaches and often a forked goatee. After 1380 collars came into fashion and the hair became shorter until about 1405-10 men had short bowl cuts, with the neck and face shaved. This continued to stay in fashion for quite some time, with variations up to the later 15th century. Jens: men often didn't have hair as long as yours, down to the shoulders at most. I have, in fact, found ONE picture of evidence that men could braid their hair as well:
This is from the Grabow altar in Hamburg, about 1380.
http://postimage.org/image/b2cusj8d3/
-------------------- Laurens Johanss Lewe, Deventer Burgher
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: If you wear a helmet over long hair, the hair can be coiled comforably under the arming cap (used to do so when I had long hair, my wife coils her hair in the same manner under her headress). I believe there are a couple of the Osprey books that show hair coiled under the caps (though I wouldn't use them as sources, one wonders what their sources were); however, I can't really see any other alternative if/when long hair was worn: Either it will stick out from under 
(not shown on any of the effigies I've seen), or it was coiled underneath.
