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Topic: Aventail help ?
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chef de chambre
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posted 01-12-2002 11:28 AM
    
Hi Otto,Keeping in mind the 14th century stuff isn't my specialty - sewing the mail to the leather strip gives it a defined edge and keeps it hanging even. There are many more links on an edge than there are verveles on your bascinet, and the mail would most likely drape funny otherwise. That said, something to keep in mind is that some current research argues that a padded aventail would have been worn under the mail one. Evidence for this theory is the rigid shape of the aventail on many barasses, and more importantly on three dimensional statuary, and one key clue coming from the tomb of Philip the Bold, who is not wearing his bascinet, but it is set to the side, allowing the viewer to look 'into' the aventail, where a padded lining can clearly be seen. [ 01-12-2002: Message edited by: chef de chambre ] -------------------- Bob R.
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hauptmann
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posted 01-12-2002 01:46 PM
What we've done on occasion is make the liner extend out of the bottom of the helmet and flare wide all the way to the bottom of the aventail. This works well and is more elegant than having a separate padded piece for the aventail liner AND the helmet liner.There are statues/carvings/effigies that show points along the bottom edge of the aventail, perhaps holding the mail in place over the padded liner, perhaps pointing the whole arrangement to the lentner or jupon to keep it from shifting or lifting up during movement. Either of these possibilities seems plausible and perhaps both were used. In any case, it seems unlikely that aventails had no lining under them, as they damage the torso garments underneath from abrasion and offer little protection on their own; having much more protective value with even a small amount of padding underneath. BTW,
The most common method of hanging the mail seems to be stitching the upper edge of the mail to a specially patterned leather strip (not just a strap), then putting holes in the leather to go over the vervailles, then running a cord (probably linen or hemp) through the vervailles, knotting it outside the end vervailles. I do it this way when installing aventailles and it works very well and looks quite historically correct. [ 01-12-2002: Message edited by: hauptmann ]
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Seigneur de Leon
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posted 01-13-2002 12:57 AM
I agree with what Jeff H. said, and that is how I am attaching my camail, but the amount of vervelles will be the amount of pre-drilled holes that aready are in my bascinet as made by MacKenzie-Smith - not because the number is correct, but because the path has already been laid. M-S uses those bogus "staples" or bent wires to attach the camail. How are you planning to cinch-up the chin/face? -------------------- VERITAS IN INTIMO
VIRES IN LACERTU
SIMPLICITAS IN EXPRESSO
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chef de chambre
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posted 01-13-2002 10:58 PM
Hi Jeff,I'd be for the wool or tow. The only reason I mention this is that hair seems to work its way between the weave of the fabric, so you end up losing it. I just stuffed a helmet liner with flax tow, and it seems to work very well. -------------------- Bob R.
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