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Jancemeijer von Magnus
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posted 11-24-2004 02:15 PM     Profile for Jancemeijer von Magnus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Does anyone know of sources of information on Friederich the Victorious? Other than Freezywater publications?

Or have any suggestions for other Geman Merc units in Wars of the Roses?

Thanks!

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tim seasholtz
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posted 11-24-2004 05:48 PM     Profile for tim seasholtz   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I believe some were present at the Battle of Stoke. IIRC, they were led by Martin Shwartz who lost his life during the fight.
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chef de chambre
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posted 11-24-2004 07:23 PM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The real trouble is that mercenaries are mentioned in various chronicles - sometimes what nationality they were is mentioned, sometimes not. Little more specific information is ever given. Martin Schwartz is the exception in that we have the detail that we do.

Off the top of my head, Piere de Berez led French mercenariess - or mercenaries raised in France (of what nationalities unknown) that fought for the Lancastrians in the Northern war of 1461, The Daupahin sent troops to thwe Yorkists aide to 'fight under his banner' in the same campaign - at the time he was in exile in Burgundy, and so the troops were not French companies of the ordanances. The famous "smokey Flemmings" of the 1471 arrival campaign are well known (some carried pikes as well - wether they were Flemish or German, who knows?), but less commonly known are small groups of mercenary troops hired. I wish I could remember which bishop had hired a small detatchment for the protection of one of his holdings (perhaps Dave Key can jog the memory). Henry VII of course landed for the Bosworth campaign lagely supported by the sweepings of French jails and docks, impressed for the service.

A number of 'foriegn' troops served in different campaigns. While the Irish who supported the Yokists in 1487 is well known, the Earl of Wiltshire, who was from an Norman-Irish family possibly had Irish retainers amongst his following. The Scots gave extensive aide to the Lancastrians, in exchange for Queen Margeret turning over a number of Northern Strongholds to them.

The trouble is, none of these mercenaries have famous 'unit' backgrounds, like the "White Company", of late 14th century Itallian fame. Nothing is known of Schwarts company, outside of the sketchiest history of the captain.

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Jancemeijer von Magnus
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posted 11-24-2004 10:41 PM     Profile for Jancemeijer von Magnus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yeah, that is why I have turned from Martin Schwarz to Friederich the Victorious. Apparently this publication by Freezywater has his banner, liveries, troop information and all kinds of stuff.

Problem is, Freezywater is a small UK company that is hard to get in the states here.

Chef, so what you are saying is that the officer of a mercenary units' national origin does not mean that all of his troops were specifically of that nationality as well?


Let me just put this on the table for everyone to give some thought to: What do I need to do to have a realistic and believable merc unit lead by a German officer? What is OK and what is not. We will be basing ourselves around pikemen or billman. Lightly armoured soldiers, levies, conscripts, bargain-basement lowly troops.

As the unit grows and more is added to our armoury, we may branch out and I want us to end up with many dismounted men-at-arms, with some missile back-up. (P.S. I loved the discussion on the terminology of men-at-arms in another post here!)

Also: Is there anyone else who does Holy Roman Empire that can help me streamline my personal impression? Ive done a lot of research on it, but its a whole other world!

Thanks for all the thoughts!

(P.S. Chef, I haven't gotten to respond to your e-mails yet because Im compiling all of our discussion into one message. There's a lot there! )

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~ Jason Banditt Adams
Illustrator for the gaming industry
www.Rogue-Artist.com

"Jancemeijer von Magnus"
Organization head, "Magnus Kompanie"
Aufgebot Hessen Kassel 1471-1480
www.GothicGermany.org


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Jancemeijer von Magnus
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posted 11-25-2004 09:11 PM     Profile for Jancemeijer von Magnus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thank you Brent,
that all sounds very good.

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~ Jason Banditt Adams
Illustrator for the gaming industry
www.Rogue-Artist.com

"Jancemeijer von Magnus"
Organization head, "Magnus Kompanie"
Aufgebot Hessen Kassel 1471-1480
www.GothicGermany.org


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