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Alex Whitaker
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posted 06-14-2006 02:43 PM     Profile for Alex Whitaker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi I'm looking for a particular type of group doing weapons training that does not also disallow empty-handed techniques and thought that by posting here someone might lead me to where I can find this. I have already tried the SCA but found they had far too many rules of combat that were unrealistic and or pointless and I'm also not interested in other groups that use practice weapons that flex too far when parrying an opponents blow or groups that ban blows to the lower legs. I do not believe in using steel for practice weapons during competitions because this creates too many unrealistic restrictions with the blows or striking areas. It does not matter to me if the group is historically oriented or not however I'm not interested in social hierarchies. The point to me is to learn the weapons techniques while still doing so with a degree of safety and not to climb up some sort of social status ladder. I build armor so it would be prefered if the group uses armor durring competition and or practice.
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Fire Stryker
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posted 06-14-2006 02:54 PM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Generally it helps to know your location. I've checked your profile and you are located in San Francisco CA.

The problem you are going to run into is that most groups, be they simply WMA or historical groups , all have rules for safety. Maybe not as restrictive in some aspects, and restricted targets for members that aren't fully armoured.

Many WMA groups don't use armour or historical clothing; they are only interested in technique, but for some combat I don't think you can really separate the two; tennis shoes move quite differently than historical turn shoes.

Have you contacted groups like ARMA:
http://www.thearma.org/

They may be able to point you to a group that fits your requirements in your area. I'm on the East Coast, so can't really tell you what's out there.

Jenn

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Alex Whitaker
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posted 06-18-2006 10:18 PM     Profile for Alex Whitaker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thanks for the reply but I'm not interested in obtaining some sort of certification. To me that goes along the same lines as trying to climb up made up social ladders that hardly anyone is going to know or care about. I'm looking for a group where the people train each other rather than a group where there is organization-collecting money from the participants in exchange for teaching them.
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TiM
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posted 06-21-2006 02:57 PM     Profile for TiM     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Alex,

I've been involved with ARMA that Jenn mentioned above. Are you sure you're not confusing them with other groups in your area? I'm pretty sure there are Bay Area groups that have a similar focus, teacher/student (rank) hierarchy, charge for lessons, and may even have similar acronyms for the organizations.

The group I was involved in was a "study group", no money involved. Just a gathering to share info and practice, and most all prompts and direction came from the historical research and practice recommendations from ARMA.

That being said, I do contribute annually to the ARMA cause, and you can get some recognition, at selected events, if you want, but is is far from necessary and inconsequential to learning and practice (and I believe that is the orgs stance on the subject). But I can see how they could give the wrong impression from the web site--give them another shot, and I think it may help you find what you are looking for.

Jenn, coincidentally, on the ARMA forum someone asked about shoes. I replied, in part, I sometimes use turnshoes from Historic Enterprises (I'm not a reinactor, more of a collector, but I originally purchased them specifically for practice/experience).

Armor--some do, check the open video area. But the cost of the accurate stuff is prohibitive to most. web page


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posted 06-23-2006 07:25 AM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi TiM,

that's great. We've found that one gains a better understanding of the techniques by using reproductions of what was used historically.

I've found that swords, shoes, and even the proper arming doublet can make a vast difference in how one moves.

I hope Alex can find a good study group in his area.

Cheers,

Jenn

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