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Morpheus
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posted 10-05-2007 09:15 AM     Profile for Morpheus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi everybody!
I would like you to discuss this kit for a flemish (Liege origin) pikeman (1460-1470).
1. Padded jack, such as on Memling Ursula's passion http://www.clubliege.ru/upload/Andre/Forum/15Project/Jack.jpg
2. Breastplate such as this, from Castle Granson (but without backplate) http://www.clubliege.ru/upload/Andre/Forum/15Project/cuirass.jpg
3. Bevor from this kit http://www.clubliege.ru/upload/Andre/Forum/15Project/bever05.jpg
4. Chapel-de-fer http://www.clubliege.ru/upload/Andre/Forum/15Project/1450_2.jpg http://www.clubliege.ru/upload/Andre/Forum/15Project/1450_3.jpg
5. Leather gauntlets such as this (this is the weaker point) http://www.clubliege.ru/upload/Andre/Forum/15Project/gauntlets01.jpg
or if this is't fit - this one mittens http://www.clubliege.ru/upload/Andre/Forum/15Project/gauntlets02.jpg

I didn't plan any leg armor.

What do you think about it all?

PS. I beg your pardon for my poor english.

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posted 10-05-2007 10:01 AM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi Morpheus!

Welcome to Firestryker!

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Originally posted by Morpheus:
Hi everybody!
I would like you to discuss this kit for a flemish (Liege origin) pikeman (1460-1470).

Well, 1460-68, Liege was in effect destroyed as a municipality, with soldiers belonging to it by the end of 1468. For the rest of Charles the Bolds life,only 300 dwellings existed in the town, solely for the use of ecclisiastic persons, although the Burgundians erected a castle tp prevent any further gatherings of rebelious persons, and to extract a toll on vessels passing down the Muse.

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1. Padded jack, such as on Memling Ursula's passion http://www.clubliege.ru/upload/Andre/Forum/15Project/Jack.jpg


Good choice, one of the most common forms of armour, and very under-done, at least here in the states.

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2. Breastplate such as this, from Castle Granson (but without backplate) http://www.clubliege.ru/upload/Andre/Forum/15Project/cuirass.jpg

Another good choice, the effect of a fussknechtbrust worn over a jack is very distinctively HRE, and is obviously seen in Low Countries art, as per the St. Ursula reliquary.

I'll have to take a look at the rest in a little bit, more comments to follow.

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3. Bevor from this kit http://www.clubliege.ru/upload/Andre/Forum/15Project/bever05.jpg
4. Chapel-de-fer http://www.clubliege.ru/upload/Andre/Forum/15Project/1450_2.jpg http://www.clubliege.ru/upload/Andre/Forum/15Project/1450_3.jpg
5. Leather gauntlets such as this (this is the weaker point) http://www.clubliege.ru/upload/Andre/Forum/15Project/gauntlets01.jpg
or if this is't fit - this one mittens http://www.clubliege.ru/upload/Andre/Forum/15Project/gauntlets02.jpg

I didn't plan any leg armor.

What do you think about it all?

PS. I beg your pardon for my poor english.

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posted 10-05-2007 10:07 AM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Okay, from having looked at the rest, you are doing very well, the only exception to accuracy I see is the kettlehat, which is distinctly eastern HRE in that particular form (Bohemia, ect.) It has a distinctive, flared crown, which is not seen in Flemish art. In Flanders, a kettlehat would much more commonly have had a deep, shaped brim, like the example seen in the Royal Armouries in Leeds, or the Metropolitan Museum example in New York, with the fluted, faceted dome. The leather mits are cold weather grear, and not armour, and you would definitely be better off with the munition Italian style gauntlets you posted.

It looks like you did a lot of research, and you are definitely on the track of an excellent kit.

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posted 10-05-2007 10:10 AM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
And good for you for not planning leg arour - it is very over-done for people portraying infantry, and is very much a nuisance to wear on foot.

Your English seems excellent, BTW I wish I had more than three phrases in Russian.

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Morpheus
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posted 10-05-2007 11:12 AM     Profile for Morpheus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thank you, Chef!
About helmet - for a first time i planned this one http://www.clubliege.ru/upload/Andre/Forum/15Project/1460_1.jpg http://www.clubliege.ru/upload/Andre/Forum/15Project/043.jpg
(right corner)
But our smith said that he cannot do it in proper way (from one piece each part with seam in the centre).

Could you point out for kettle-hats in Royal Armouries & in Metropolitan Museum?
I probably guess what you mean.
this example? http://www.clubliege.ru/upload/Andre/Forum/15Project/burgundian.jpg

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posted 10-06-2007 04:40 PM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi Morpheus,

The first choice would definitely fit the bill better, and the link you posted to the MET example is indeed the one I was talking about - the brim is downturned to a large degree over the ears, making a very protective helmet. This is more typical of the Western HRE and France/Burgundy. The Royal armouries example is nearly identical to the MET example, except the skull of the helmet is smooth, instead of faceted.

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Morpheus
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posted 04-07-2008 10:44 PM     Profile for Morpheus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Greetings!
Let me represent to you my progress :

1. Padded jack http://ipicture.ru/uploads/080408/6570/UyS77mp5bd.jpg
http://ipicture.ru/uploads/080408/6570/GUM55xQ0q4.jpg

Buttons http://ipicture.ru/uploads/080408/6570/0k7ULB23yU.jpg

2. Breastplate http://ipicture.ru/uploads/080408/6570/41RROux0iD.jpg
http://ipicture.ru/uploads/080408/6570/tPLVU5nVM6.jpg

http://ipicture.ru/uploads/080408/6570/LWZlDj0nn5.jpg

http://ipicture.ru/uploads/080408/6570/moSUou0P83.jpg

3. Bevor http://ipicture.ru/uploads/080408/6570/ISr86tOSoU.jpg

http://ipicture.ru/uploads/080408/6570/H17HwBZcOQ.jpg

4. Helmet http://ipicture.ru/uploads/080408/6570/Jrm1ski9Kz.jpg

http://ipicture.ru/uploads/080408/6570/5pL260aGWT.jpg

http://ipicture.ru/uploads/080408/6570/04Pndb0zSR.jpg

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James Bretlington
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posted 04-08-2008 06:46 AM     Profile for James Bretlington   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The jack looks very nice. What's the construction inside?

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Morpheus
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posted 04-15-2008 10:21 PM     Profile for Morpheus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Thank you James!
Photos from inside

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Morpheus
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posted 04-15-2008 10:30 PM     Profile for Morpheus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Some new pictures
Breastplate

Breastplate + bevor

Helmet

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Morpheus
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posted 04-15-2008 10:31 PM     Profile for Morpheus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Ñomplete set (glaive just for photo )

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posted 04-16-2008 02:11 PM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Looking very Nice!

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