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John McFarlin
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posted 09-16-2005 12:07 AM     Profile for John McFarlin     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
A group of friends of mine, after having long been a part of the pseudohistorical group The Brotherhood of the Gauntlet in Las Vegas, Nevada, have decided to stride forth in the essai at representing a wayside camp of esquires in the employ of a non-present knight, in a variety of settings.

The time frame involved is a fifty year period from 1370 to 1420, to permit feasibility of portrayal, since the selection of material culture from even as broadly researched an area as France and England is sketchy in the 14th century/early fifteenth century.

Currently working out details of membership. Current members are officers, likely as not there will be provisional memberships for a year (renewable) based on sponsorship by an officer, after which a companion may sue for officer status. Requirement of members are that they portray a feasible member of English martial society or the affinity of an English knight during the era involved.

Current group kit consists of several tents, several full harnesses, a trebuchet, an ale tent, and a dining area.

Inaugural event will be at the Age of Chivalry Renaissance Festival from October 6-9, Sunset Park, Las Vegas Nevada.

Typical day in camp is like this: Wake up, dress, have a beer for breakfast, police camp, send out runners for various requirements before faire opens, get in harness as the faire opens, listen to Owain Phyfe play, march about the square, fire the trebuchet at several different times, have some sort of lunch, play nine-men's morris or chess, spar, stand out by the gate and talk to passersby, play at the tables (backgammon) walk around and visit other groups, close up camp around sunset and have a huge dinner, then go to sleep around eleven and repeat.

John
Jehan de Pelham, esquire
Jehan de Pelham, esquire and servant of Sir Vitus

[ 09-25-2005: Message edited by: John McFarlin ]


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Alan F
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posted 09-16-2005 09:57 AM     Profile for Alan F   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Typical day in camp is like this: Wake up, dress, have a beer for breakfast, police camp, send out runners for various requirements before faire opens, get in harness as the faire opens, listen to Owain Phyfe play, march about the square, fire the trebuchet at several different times, have some sort of lunch, play nine-men's morris or chess, spar, stand out by the gate and talk to passersby, play at the tables (backgammon) walk around and visit other groups, close up camp around sunset and have a huge dinner, then go to sleep around eleven and repeat.

Are you seriously suggesting that you drink alcohol before fighting?


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John McFarlin
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posted 09-16-2005 07:15 PM     Profile for John McFarlin     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
What do you mean sir?

John
Jehan de Pelham, esquire
Jehan de Pelham, esquire and servant of Sir Vitus


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Alan F
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posted 09-17-2005 02:29 AM     Profile for Alan F   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by John McFarlin:
What do you mean sir?

John
Jehan de Pelham, esquire
Jehan de Pelham, esquire and servant of Sir Vitus


You say in your piece that you get up, have a beer for breakfast and then later ons tart sparring. Are you seriously saying that you consume alcohol then go and fight?


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John McFarlin
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posted 09-17-2005 09:29 PM     Profile for John McFarlin     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well, of course. But there's some time involved between the drinking and the sparring.

Are you mistakenly thinking that we go at each other forcefully with wasters while drunken?

John
Jehan de Pelham, esquire
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Alan F
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posted 09-18-2005 03:05 AM     Profile for Alan F   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by John McFarlin:
Well, of course. But there's some time involved between the drinking and the sparring.

Are you mistakenly thinking that we go at each other forcefully with wasters while drunken?

John
Jehan de Pelham, esquire
Jehan de Pelham, esquire and servant of Sir Vitus


I'm not mistakenly thinking anything. You should not, under any circumstances, use weapons after drinking alcohol, simple as that. Not only is it dangerous, it's the kind of thing that gives re-enactment a bad name as it has all of us cast as little more than drunken yobs.


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John McFarlin
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posted 09-18-2005 11:52 AM     Profile for John McFarlin     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Perhaps my lack of understanding of your position provides a clue to the fact that we have matters well in hand.

However, in any case who can argue with the least dangerous course of action in a world gone mad with risk aversion and litigation?

John
Jehan de Pelham, esquire
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Gwen
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posted 09-18-2005 01:20 PM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
If I may step in here?

Knowing the sort of reenactment that Alan is accustomed to as well as knowing what John is doing, I can safely say you're discussing apples and oranges. Both fruit, but entirely different things.

Alan, I can assure you that what John is doing bears little to no resemblance to what you're accustomed to. Also, having a single lager in place of breakfast/in addition to breakfast is a completely different animal than spending 4 hours in the beer tent drinking before taking the field in the manner you are accustomed to.

Alan, please note that John responds go at each other forcefully with wasters. He's not understanding that you think he and his mates are having at with steel swords-- the worst scenario he can imagine is having at with wooden practice swords.

Pax gentlemen, no one is behaving irresponsibly here; there is just a cultural difference in approach that's not being allowed for. Alan, perhaps the better question is "so what sort of sparring are you doing after breakfast?"

Gwen


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John McFarlin
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posted 09-18-2005 02:58 PM     Profile for John McFarlin     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Oh, heavens, yes, Gwen--thank you for the clarification. Big difference between slow work with wooden wasters and half speed sparring with rebated steel.

Alan, if I gave the wrong impression I apologize. Our primary work is not weapons handling in any case, but your advice is well taken.

John
Jehan de Pelham, esquire
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Alan F
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posted 09-18-2005 04:45 PM     Profile for Alan F   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Fair enough, although I still don't believe that anyone should handle weapons, of any sort, after consuming alcohol to whatever degree.
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John McFarlin
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posted 09-18-2005 07:18 PM     Profile for John McFarlin     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Fair enough. But I hold that we aren't employing weapons in the first place. I imagine your disapproval of the medieval men at arms you portray is supreme, as they were almost to a man in violation of your rede.

John
Jehan de Pelham, esquire
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Rod Walker
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posted 09-18-2005 08:42 PM     Profile for Rod Walker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I suppose the question is 'what would a man-at-arms of the period drink with breakfast?

I always thought it was some sort of 'watered down' alcoholic beverage, wine, beer etc.

I commend you for going the historical route. I know lots of very serious 'historical' groups that can not seem to give up their large modern breakfast of bacon, eggs and coffee.

I've tried the bit of watered down wine, lump of bread and cheese for breakfast at events and it is really rather good. No mucking around with cooking and cleaning up is also a good thing

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Rod
www.jousting.com.au


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John McFarlin
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posted 09-19-2005 12:38 AM     Profile for John McFarlin     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Rod, I believe that it might well have been bread, cheese, and small beer, plus whatever pottage might be left over from last night, to wheoever gets up and at it first.

The recipe we have for a small beer checks in at about 1.5% to 2%, not exactly stout.

Light breakfasts and light dinners are great--"a fine plate of meats and cheeses" is the normal afternoon fare because we don't like getting bogged down with a heavy meal while wearing harness.

John
Jehan de Pelham, esquire
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John McFarlin
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posted 10-13-2005 12:27 AM     Profile for John McFarlin     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Not even a little waster work at the event this year. Too busy firing the trebuchet.

John
Jehan de Pelham, esquire (1370-1400 English in France)
Jehan de Pelham, esquire and servant of Sir Vitus


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Scott
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posted 01-23-2006 09:51 PM     Profile for Scott   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
John where did you get your Treb?


It looks like the war wolf model kit (like 1/6th scale) i've been drooling over for a couple years. Yours looks taller, i thought this model was only like 8 feet tall your looks about 12 feet.

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