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Topic: Images from the Joust for the Queen's Jubilee Horn
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Angelique
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posted 09-02-2005 03:16 PM
   
Oooo, I didn't know fringe was used on the shoulders of cotehardies, I LOVE fringe!Ok, I hope it's a cotehardie, anything much prior to 1630 is far out of my realm of clothing knowledge. But like I said, I LOVE fringe. My S.O. says our house looks like an antebellum bordello I like red velvet and fringe so much, hehe. Really lovely pictures, thank you for sharing!! -------------------- Dahlin', this can't be real emergency, I only brought one bottle of bourbon and one bottle of Tabasco...
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Gwen
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posted 09-03-2005 02:00 AM
Hi Angelique-The garment Jeffrey is wearing is a gown, not a cotehardie, and is worn over a doublet. The shape is a reconstruction of a garment pictured in the Decameron (9th day, 8th story- Lauretta). Bocaccio's “Decameron” is a cycle of 'fabliau' ( 'little fables') which are set among comparatively low-class people. The most widely published version of this work (and the one I referenced) is a copy held by the Bibliotheque de l'Arsenal as Paris, Ms. 5070. It is said to have been painted 1430-40 by "The Master of Guillebert de Mets" and "The Master of Jean Mansel" for Phillip the Good of Burgundy. Jeffrey's gown has the simple semi-fitted body, mid length skirts, small standing collar and bag sleeves seen in the manuscript. Most interesting (and appealing!) is the deep, elaborate dagging on the skirt, and fringe on the upper arm. This dagging is referred to as 'zaddeln' (sing. 'zaddel') in German, and is a civilian nod to military fashion, much as web belts, camoflage and cargo pants are part of civilian fashion today. Although the wool version I did for him had dagging at the hem, for this brocade version I omitted it but retained the fringe on the upper arm. I have found hem and shoulder dagging in use from 1400-1460/70. In many cases the shoulder fringe on earlier examples is gold in colour, so Î decided to do that with this gown.    These examples come from The Grandes Chroniques de France and Bible Historiale (BNF MS. Fr09). Variations of this type of dagged gown also appears in several plates in the Hunting Book of Gaston Phoebus. Unfortunately my scanner is down so I can't post an image of the gown I based Jeffrey's on. Jeffrey's hat (dubbed "the Hat of Vegetal Virility" by Toby) is taken from the same text as the coat. Again, unfortunately, I can't post an image of the picture I copied.  Hope that helps! Gwen
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Angelique
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posted 09-06-2005 01:27 PM
See, I told you I didn't know squat about fashion prior to 1630. So, it's a gown, not a cotehardie, ok, now I know  I have often seen the metal fringe used by ECW people. I was told it was the only kind used, but you know how that sort of thing can be a sort of "urban legend." I'm excited to see that someone has interpreted it as a fabric style of fringe as well -- goodness knows I can barely afford to buy the metal stuff. Thanks for the info!  -------------------- Dahlin', this can't be real emergency, I only brought one bottle of bourbon and one bottle of Tabasco...
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Gwen
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posted 09-22-2005 11:36 AM
I thought I'd add this to the file of images from this event.Here's Tom in his kit, wearing Jeff's livery. 
Thomas Hayman, Jeffrey Hedgecock, Dominic Sewell (L to R) That's Toby over in the left hand corner, trying to get out of the shot.  Thanks again for your help in Leeds, Tom! Your doublet comes back from the dry cleaners today, and we'll make all the necessary adjustments before I bring it back for the Easter Jousts. Gwen Edited to add of course that's not Toby's feet you're seeing, it's Seamus' .  [ 09-22-2005: Message edited by: Ginevra ]
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Crimson Vision
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posted 09-23-2005 12:02 PM
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Hi Angelique- Yes, it's all custom done gold boullion embroidery. It looks good in the photos but it's absolutely *amazing* in person (if I do say so myself!) Gwen
Wow! Gold Bullion! Do you have any really close photos of it? I've developed a great fondness for bullion over the past year!
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Crimson Vision
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posted 09-23-2005 03:15 PM
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Originally posted by Fire Stryker:
 *dies* Must... Have... Saddle...! Wow. That is AMAZING. Where is that from??
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chef de chambre
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posted 09-23-2005 03:39 PM
Offhand, I'd say it's the Dymoke saddle, which is preserved by the family - the Dymokes are the hereditary champions of the Kings of England, and the last time the office was fulfilled was during the election of William of Orange to the throne (1688/9), when lord Dymoke rode in front of Westminster (I believe) in harness, to accept any challenge to the ascention of William III.The saddle is mid-ish 17th century, and I believe they have preserved the rest of the horse tack, and at leadt some of the harness or arms from the late 17th century. Not a medieval saddle though, a post-Rewstoration one (As in Restoration of Charles II). It's still a very pretty one. -------------------- Bob R.
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