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kdj
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posted 05-05-2008 04:33 PM     Profile for kdj     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Good evening,
I am new and hope I have chosen the correct place to post.
I am sending pictures of an item which fits over the horse's entire face. I can send more if anyone needs close up, or additional photos. No one I have contacted (including some museums) knows what this is, where it was made, who made it and for what purpose.

This is 16 inches across the top, 10 inches down the sides, the thin leather strips are 12 inches long. The metal circles all over the front of it, could be brass. They are attached with leather. Two the larger circles, in the top two outer corners have two stars each, embossed, on them.
The back side is braided over all. The places for the horse's eyes to look through are braided. The 1 inch wide leather strip that travels down the nose has the brass circles and a white leather tassel at the end. There is a strap with a buckle that goes behind the ears and another for under the head.
I've been searching for answers for quite a while. Then I found this site. I will greatly appreciate your knowledge of this piece.
Thank you very much.
Kerry

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Gwen
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posted 05-05-2008 08:03 PM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Betcha it's some sort of fly fringe for a Spanish type headstall-

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a fly veil-

Looking at it again, my money is on it being a fly veil.

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Angelique
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posted 05-06-2008 04:36 AM     Profile for Angelique     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Well, not armor in the traditional sense, it's armor against insects. I agree with Gwen, it looks like an old Mosquero. Check out the link below.

You did not say where you are located, but if in the US, I'm sure an "Old California" type expert would agree with the ID. I believe it may be of that origin, especially since it looks like rawhide was used in the decoration, a Vaquero tradition more often found in the Western Hemisphere.

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Gwen
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posted 05-06-2008 07:49 AM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Yeah, those sure look like old 'concho' type ornaments to me. I was thinking Vaquero.

Sure must have been a pretty thing when it was new!


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posted 05-06-2008 08:04 AM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
You also find these items in the Middle East. Agree with the previous assessments.

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kdj
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posted 05-06-2008 04:02 PM     Profile for kdj     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Before I check out the link to Quinta's, I want to say thanks for getting the search on a better track. I will look up every clue you've mentioned. The comment about mosquitos made me laugh!
Thanks for posting the pictures too. Beautiful.
If anyone else has a comment, I look forward to those. I would still like to know more. I just heard back from another museum here in the states and the curator has not seen anything like it.
I'm in the US and have been researching US museums.
Thanks again!
kdj

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Angelique
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posted 05-06-2008 08:48 PM     Profile for Angelique     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Fire Stryker is right on the Arabian track, though most of their traditional halter and bridle work is of woven wool, rather than leather.

From the dimensions you give, I suspect it would fit better on a longer headed horse, more along the line of the Jennet/Criollo horses of the upper class of Old California. Yep, I'm thinking Vaquero, the only thing that throws me is the brass. Traditionally, silver is the favored metal, but there are some examples of brass use.

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