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Lyart(gris), favel (chestnut), bayart(bay), place names "Savoie","le Morro", unusual characteristics (Rene of Lorraine riding a mare at Nancy known as "la Damme", and mixing the above with owners names are the usual run of the mill I come across. In the Howard books, the 1464 expedition names the men and the horses they are on. Almost every one is based around the horses colour in that example.

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Ayton's book is a good place to look.

Jenn

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Phantom is Ms. Phantom, or Princess. She is, so for events I call her "La Dame". She is usually very ladylike. (I like to brag about my girl in case you can't tell. )

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Originally posted by lionsquire:
Yeah, that makes sense. I'm sure his barn name will always be "John", (which may be period-appropriate anyway), but I thought he might need a "persona" for lack of a better term. Granted, his name isn't "Microsoft" or anything like that....

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Whats his colour?

Lyart/Bayart/Favel 'John'

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Originally posted by chef de chambre:
Whats his colour?

Lyart/Bayart/Favel 'John'

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Originally posted by chef de chambre:
By the by, Passercef is Oliviers (Rolands Olivier) horse, as I recollect.

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I Thought Olivier's horse was called Ferrant d'Espagne??

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Don valued at 10s
Morell valued at 16s 8d

Goods and chattels of John Brown, York 1474

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Are you sure those are names and not colours?
e.g.
Don = Dun (brown)
Morell = Merle = speckled black ... colour used now for the colour of some breeds of dogs and was old name for a blackbird.

I got thjose from the York inventories book, and at first thought the same, however they are listed with other horses and ther phrasing is 'called Don' and callede "morrel".

Looking again, another listing has

nine maresd, three colts and six fillies at 10s each, five sterile mares etc etc - lots more horses mares and foals then "...An ambling horse called a hog t(type I guess), a trotting horse called varond*, another horse called bausond, another horse called peard.

In the same listing a few dozen more horses described as mares and amblers.

Ah well it was worth a pop.

have to imbibe soon Mike.

* mottled, just checked.

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1.(of animals) having white spots on a black or bay background; piebald.
2.(of horses and cattle) having a white patch or streak on the forehead or having one white foot.

Not sure what "peard" is unless like varond and bausond, it's another variant of pie, skew, or pommelly (dappled).

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2.Horse colours.
Just a resume.
"Bausant" : from the French "baucent" ; piebald, skewbald for most authors ; in some dictionaries "dapple grey" ; it seems to derivate from latin "balteus".
Worth to look at : http://www.templiers.net/symbolique/index.php?page=baucent-et-gonfanon ( The Templiers banner ).
"Balteus" , "balzan" ( and the Templiers banner ) seem to indicate that the real meaning was "white feet" ( stocking ? )
"Varond " : from the French "vairon" ; I presume derivates from Latin "varius" and means piebald, skewbald.
"Peard" : I presume it is equivalent to the French "piard". That is , piebald or skewbald. ( perhaps "appaloosa spotted" ).
((( If I understand properly there is a 1474 document. By far the oldest use of the term as far as I know .VERY INTERESTING !!! ))). http://www.bmlisieux.com/normandie/dubois15.htm PIARD (cheval) : blanc et noir, comme la pie.
http://www.geneanet.org/onomastique/index.php3?nom=PIARD

Piard
C'est dans le Jura que le nom est le plus répandu, on le rencontre aussi
dans l'Ouest (85, 79). En ancien français, le mot "piart" désigne le petit
de la pie, mais aussi un cheval pie. Un homonyme a le sens de "pic" (outil).
Difficile de faire un choix, d'autant qu'on peut aussi penser à un dérivé de
l'ancien prénom Pie. Le nom de famille a donné naissance au villages des
Piards (39), commune où il est d'ailleurs très courant. Variante : Piart
(80, 60, 08)."

3.Some years ago I published a Horse Colours Chronology/ Bibliography in Catalan language. The names and tittles can be easyly read.
"Entenent els colors dels cavalls" ( Trans. Understanding the colors of the horses ).
http://colorscavalls.feshocat.cat/
Equine coats website in Catalan language. One article in ( poor ) English about "isabella" color term origin. Contains a Horse coats chronology. http://colorscavalls.feshocat.cat/enteisabelle2.html http://colorscavalls.feshocat.cat/entekronologia.html

(I hope I wrote that correctly. I'm better at French)

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