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Trollope
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posted 12-06-2007 07:47 PM     Profile for Trollope     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I'm reading another biography on Edward, the Black Prince, and in my quest to gain knowledge in all things medieval, I have some ignorant questions on my part that have arisen from the book.

What's the difference between or definition of:

Duke
Earl
knight bannerette
and what ever else titles knights had.

Also, how many were each in command of? Yes, I realize the size of the landholdings affected that.

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jboerner
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posted 12-07-2007 05:07 AM     Profile for jboerner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Quick google result: http://mr_sedivy.tripod.com/engrise19.html
Duke/Earl are aristocratic titles, and the persons having those do not need to be knights by definition. The son of an earl, who dies, inherites the title, but is not necessarily a knight. In fact there were aristocratics who were never knighted. Or quite late in age.
Some fighters equiped as knights never got the knighthood.

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Fire Stryker
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posted 12-07-2007 08:02 AM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Some who were qualified, didn't want to be knighted because of the costs involved.

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Fire Stryker
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posted 12-07-2007 01:22 PM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Dukes are generally blood relatives of a King - non-royal titles generally stop at Earl/Count.

The later you go in the Middle ages, the more fully equipped cavalrymen there were, who did not bear the title of knight, so that by the 15th century, they vastly outnumber those bearing the title.

Generally speaking, while William the Conquerer set up some 5000 knights fees in England, and through the high middle ages, several thousand knights were theoretically able to be called upon for service by the crown, by the 15th century, only around 100-150 people bore the title in England.

The title of knight is not inheritable, or at least it was not until the baroque period - as was pointed out, many people who theoretically could be knights, chose not to, because of the expense in maintaining the title, and the obligations incurred, including serving in parliament.

A knight generally commanded a lance, which included the knight, and several soldiers - earlier in Medieval England, this was usually the knight, and a man at arms, and sometimes an infantryman, or a squire or valet, or a crossbowman. Usually 2-3 people at a minimum. By the 14th century, a lance was generally a knight, a valet, and a couple of mounted archers. In other countries, the mix varied - in Italy, mounted crossbowman served in lieu of mounted archers, in Germany, a Gleve generally had a mounted crossbowman, and an infantryman associated, in France and Burgundy, usually a lighter armed cavalryman, and a variety of other types of infantry or mounted infantry, depending on when, where exactly, and the fashion at the time.

A knight of some status could command several lances, more than 10 or 15, anf he might then become a 'banneret', which is really a military title - a knight who was a lawyer rather than a soldier would not be a banneret, since he wasn't leading men in the field. Usually, a banneret was a veryk experienced soldier.

Actual aristocratic titles begin with Baron, the go to count/earl. Later in the Middle Ages, Marquis came to be used, then the royal family King/and dukes. In these cases, the following was determined by land held, and wealth - and also, interest in pursuing military activities.

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