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Todd Webber
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posted 09-04-2007 05:31 PM     Profile for Todd Webber     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
My wife and I are going to try and create a Gambeson, (she is doing most of the work, and I am just the model and researcher).

The current plan for the moment is a long sleeve, mid thigh gambeson made of natural colour, 7.5 ounce linen with raw cotton as the batting. The stitching will be vertical and 1½ inch between stitches.

My sources have been several Osprey Warrior Books, a few internet patterns and sources.

I have some questions for now, more to follow.

1. What should I use buttons or lace?
2. Is a collar required?
3. Is a ½ inch padding the correct amount?

I hope I am on the right track.

I am making a trial gambeson before I use the good linen.


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Woodcrafter
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posted 09-04-2007 10:40 PM     Profile for Woodcrafter   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Baby blanket thickness is what some people say is sufficient. I too have made a number of 'gambesons' over the last 20+ years. Now I believe different. I think they used normal clothing under their armour. That is to say a fashionable coat depending on year and country. So for 14thc English, a kirtle or cote-hardie.
Lacing takes a little longer to do up, but not by much. You also never lose buttons. Buttons can be made from cloth so they do not dig into you. I am currently using a lace up HE cote-hardie and love it.

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jboerner
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posted 09-14-2007 05:54 AM     Profile for jboerner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hm?
Woodcrafter, but you know that lots of effigies from the 14th century show Aketons, as well as descriptions from the 14th century describe textile armour worn under 14th century armour, that there are surviving examples as well as that there are descriptions on how such a garment has to be made?
In fact I would say, the 14th century textile armour is among the best documentated textile armour from the middle ages...

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Diu Minnezīt
Reconstruction of textiles, armour and daily life
1250,1350,1475
Nuremberg and Paris
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IG Meisterhauw
Reconstruction of late medieval and early renaissance fencing techniques
http://www.meisterhauw.de

Nuremberg in the middle ages
http://www.nuernberg-im-mittelalter.de


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Woodcrafter
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posted 09-21-2007 12:13 AM     Profile for Woodcrafter   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Documented by museums, or the SCA?
Pictorial evidence is of seams. The puffiness is layers of cloth or padding stuffed inside? How thick a padding? Are there at least three surviving 14th, not 15th, century garments indisputably identified as armour padding? There are references to 15th century jack armour, but that is not armour padding. It is armour by itself.

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jboerner
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posted 09-21-2007 05:17 AM     Profile for jboerner   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Woodcrafter, if I speak of documentation, than I do not mean sca or reenactors, but extant analyses done by the museum or persons capable ). As well as lots of written sources and effigies.
As for padding, we may run into a misunderstanding: I speak of textile armour which also does have the effect of padding, but not only being built for that. I consider "padding garments" worn under other armour as a piece of legend also, maybe that's what you mean.
But base textile armour named "aketon" or whatever, can clearly be identified in the 14th century (as well as later, but not that easy in earlier centuries).

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Diu Minnezīt
Reconstruction of textiles, armour and daily life
1250,1350,1475
Nuremberg and Paris
http://www.diu-minnezit.de

IG Meisterhauw
Reconstruction of late medieval and early renaissance fencing techniques
http://www.meisterhauw.de

Nuremberg in the middle ages
http://www.nuernberg-im-mittelalter.de


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