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chef de chambre
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posted 04-05-2007 02:11 PM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi All,

Just a note to let you know that I am beginning my second brigandine project. This one will have the peplum plates properly segmented in front for ease of mounting a horse, and will mount a lance rest, as seen on "Wrath's" brigandine in Rene of Anjou's 'Livre de Amor', otherwise based on the Royal Armouries 4 matching brigandines as my last one.

Craig and I adjusted the pattern to fit me better last year, but the project got put aside for a while, and we are just beginning it now. I'll take some photos of the foundation as I sew it together this week, to try to document it's progress.

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Bob R.


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Russ Mitchell
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posted 08-09-2007 03:45 PM     Profile for Russ Mitchell   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey, Chef, what's the earliest you've seen a lance rest on a brigandine?

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Dulce bellum inexpertis. -- Desiderius Erasmus


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Fire Stryker
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posted 08-10-2007 07:35 AM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi Russ,

Bob should respond later today or tomorrow.

Jenn

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Fire Stryker
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posted 08-10-2007 04:45 PM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi Russ,

I think the earliest I have seen a lance rest on a brigandine, in Italian artwork, is around 1420, give or take 10 years.

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Russ Mitchell
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posted 08-11-2007 09:03 AM     Profile for Russ Mitchell   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hrm... how 'bout a COP?

I took pictures of the Kolosvari brothers' St. George Statue (actually, of a copy of the one in Prague that's still in Kolosvar), from 1373, and it has a lance rest. I was thinking that might be early, but as you know, these armors aren't my forte.

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Fire Stryker
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posted 08-11-2007 01:12 PM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
HI Russ,

Actually, that makes perfect sense when you think about it. The lance rest seems to come in generally by 1370, so it makes as much sense to be on a later coat of plates as on a breastplate of the same time.

At the same time, the brigandine is coming in, but primarily as an infantry armour for footsoldiers, but it seems to be adopted by mounted men in the early 15th century, and thus the lance rest following.

So, it would seem to me that the lance rest would follow to be on an up to date armour for a man at arms, regardless of type, so long as it was ridged enough to support one, and that when shock cavalry adopted brigandines, about that time ot would appear on bigandines.

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posted 08-12-2007 05:06 AM     Profile for Bertus     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hey Russ,
I saw the original statue in the castle in Prague and I did not notice any lance rest, just a broken ring (lower part missing) attached to the breast at nipple location, which probably meant to hold a chain to which either sword, dagger or greathelm was attached. On the other side (right for viewer) the ring was missing but there was still a similar decorative mount visible at nipple location where it must have been once.

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chef de chambre
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posted 08-12-2007 07:57 AM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I really need to photo the foundation, and put it up, as it has been finished for more than a month. I've got to sew the cover together next, and then sew the both together, but it has been a busy Summer.

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Bob R.


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posted 09-02-2007 10:26 AM     Profile for Russ Mitchell   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Unless they were molded intentionally broken, then we've got an interpretation problem... because what I was interpreting as a lance rest was not particularly large and could also be interpreted as a broken guard chain. And it seems relatively unlikely that two statues would have identical damage...

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