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Charles I
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posted 05-06-2005 09:28 PM     Profile for Charles I     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
How does one go about naming themselves? I am portraying a knight(minor probably)in England or maybe living in Ireland (just to keep it different)around 1370-75. Would I have a French name and would I speak French? If possible, I would just like to use the French version of my name ...whatever that is.

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Charles I
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posted 05-07-2005 06:55 AM     Profile for Charles I     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Either way, I just want a nice name without someone saying "it wasn't done that way". I'm still relatively new at this.

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chef de chambre
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posted 05-07-2005 07:33 AM     Profile for chef de chambre   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Web site: http://www.behindthename.com/

Jenn


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Gwen
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posted 05-07-2005 03:54 PM     Profile for Gwen   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
As I understand it (from the ground mind you, I'm no scholar) children were often given family names. You'll find families where almost every male child for generations is named Louis, or Richard or William, and every female named Margaret or Joan or Catherine. From looking at birth/baptismal records from the late 1400's I can tell you that the Italians were almost neurotic about this. Childern were named to honour family members, and if the child died, the next child of the appropriate sex was given the same name. The main reason I took 'Ginevra Francesca' as my reenactment name was because it was far and away the most common name given to Italian children in the 1470's based on birth records.

I had this discussion with a friend not so long ago, and I believe you'd find something like this in modern England, with native English people. He was saying there were so many "Marks" both in his family and in his aquaintance that he changed his name because he was so sick of 5 people saying "Yes?" whenever someone else called "Hey Mark!".

I imagine there are statistics for this somewhere but a look at something like the Brideport Muster Role could give you an idea of common names in any given area. If you want to be specific, you could get the baptismal records for the target year and place and get a feel for what parents were naming their children.

Additionally, saint's names are always a good bet, as the Catholic Church had/has a rule that children should be given the name of saints.

Gwen


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Charlotte
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posted 05-09-2005 03:42 PM     Profile for Charlotte   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Charles I:
How does one go about naming themselves? I am portraying a knight(minor probably)in England or maybe living in Ireland (just to keep it different)around 1370-75. Would I have a French name and would I speak French? If possible, I would just like to use the French version of my name ...whatever that is.

Hee... Couple of thoughts.

First of all, and please don't think I'm snarking, just pointing out a trend I've noticed, is that "living in Ireland" you won't be "keeping it different". There's a disporportionate number of folks, it seems to me, that have some sort of Irish/Scotish association. That said...

At the end of the 14th century in England, you have a choice between English and French. I can't remember the exact year, but it was sometime during this period that the official court language switched from French to English. Certainly, many people still spoke French, but as likely as not, you'd speak English as well. Consider that the Canterbury Tales were written in English in the 1390s.

I second the link to the Academy of St. Gabriel. Here's their English names site, in particular: http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/english.shtml
Though they help out a number of SCAdians, they're not strictly SCA, and they're standards are generally stricter.

Charles, you have a good name, that can be used for either French or English. The spelling does not change, only the pronunciation. "Charles" in French is pronounces with a soft "sh" and the last "s" is silent. It sounds like "Sharl". Not "shar-el" but one continuous syllable.


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gregory23b
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posted 05-29-2005 12:37 PM     Profile for gregory23b   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
John was pretty popular right across the spectrum of society.

The Pastons had Daddy John, John Paston II and John Paston III, II and III were both at Barnet together, so having the same name for two siblings seems not to have been a worry.

And of course John outside of England is:
Jan
Johan
Johannes
Jehan
Jean
Juan
Joćo
Hans
Ian
Ivan

And that is a small list.

I am lucky, Jorge is fine for my purposes.

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Phillipe de Gaillard
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posted 09-26-2005 07:44 PM     Profile for Phillipe de Gaillard     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Just Curious, how does my name sound? Phillipe de Gaillard? It is one of my Grandfathers name. Thought that it might make a nice French/ Burgundian Man-at-Arms name.

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John McFarlin
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posted 09-27-2005 12:55 AM     Profile for John McFarlin     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
This was posted on the Armour Archive. It has some hundreds of names on the English roll of Agincourt:
http://www.scortonarrow.com/history/agincourt.htm

These names I would daresay would have been probable for fifty years either direction.

John
Jehan de Pelham, esquire (1370-1400 English in France)
Jehan de Pelham, esquire and servant of Sir Vitus


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gregory23b
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posted 09-30-2005 10:24 AM     Profile for gregory23b   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
The use of 'de' seems reasonably common and not of any noble pretentions either.

John de XXXX or whatever is usable, even in the 15th century.

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