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Randal Scott
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posted 05-01-2003 10:49 PM     Profile for Randal Scott   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi all,

I'm new here so go easy on me!

I am trying to find an accurate weight for what a full chainmaille armored crusader would wear, including hands and feet and coif, say 1100-1150 give or take?

Any info? Or can anyone point me in the right direction?

Thanks,

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Fire Stryker
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posted 05-02-2003 07:52 AM     Profile for Fire Stryker   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Hi Randal,

Welcome to the board.

Pssst... [motions for you to step forward and whispers] If you call it Mail, we'll go easier on you.

But seriously, we actually have one of the major scholars on mail here on the board. I've forwarded a message to him to see if he might chime in on the topic. He's been rather busy getting ready to go to press so may not have seen this thread yet.

Cheers,

Jenn

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Erik D. Schmid
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posted 05-02-2003 09:17 AM     Profile for Erik D. Schmid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Major scholar... Jenn, you say the sweetest things that make my insides all a flutter.

Anyway, on to Randal's question.

As it happens you are in luck. I have recently come across a 12th century mail shirt in almost perfect condition. This one however does not have long sleeves are integral coif. It looks like the shirts worn at Hastings minus the coif. The links appear to be flattened, but untill I get the metallurgical report on it I cannot say for sure.

It seems mail of this period was made from wire having a thickness of around 1.3mm to 1.5mm or thereabouts. The inner diameter of the links would have varied between 5-7mm.

These combined factors would give a shirt like this one a weight of about 25-30 lbs. Now, add in a coif and long sleeves with attached mufflers and the weight would be closer to 30-35 lbs. or more depending on the link size used.

Now that is just for the mail alone. Adding the rest of the items needed to round out this harness and the weight would be upwards of around 70 lbs. give or take. Again this all depends on the provenance of the knight in question. Different areas meant different items, which means different weights.

Cheers,
E


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Randal Scott
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posted 05-03-2003 08:37 PM     Profile for Randal Scott   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Fire Stryker:
Pssst... [motions for you to step forward and whispers] If you call it Mail, we'll go easier on you.

LOL. Alright, fill me in, why is it just Mail? I've actually been chastized (well, not really)for calling it anything *but* 'Chainmaille'

Thanks for the welcome,

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Randal Scott
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posted 05-03-2003 08:40 PM     Profile for Randal Scott   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Erik,

Thanks for the excellent response!

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Seigneur de Leon
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posted 05-04-2003 02:26 AM     Profile for Seigneur de Leon   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
Modern people refer to it as chainmail. In French it was maille. I forget the Latin word for it.

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Mart Shearer
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posted 05-07-2003 12:36 AM     Profile for Mart Shearer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message   Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote
I believe Blair gives the weight of the Edinburgh hauberk (14th century?) as 31 lbs. The Kungslena hauberk (before 1208?) is listed at 15.3kg, about 33lbs. I don't know if there is a published weight on the Wenceslaus hauberk in Prauge, but it has seemed likely to me for some time that mail in the "Age of Mail" tended to be heavier than that intended for wear under some 15th century plate.

Perhaps 30 lbs. for the hauberk
another 10 lbs. for the chausses
another 6 lbs. for the escutcheon
another 3 lbs. for the sword
another 10 lbs. for the lance
another 10 lbs. for helmet,clothing, belts, and other accoutrments.

70 pounds for a mounted man does not seem an unreasonable figure. Sergeants on foot could save twenty lbs. by eliminating the lance and chausses.


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